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Mary Sue is not any girl character who dares to be larger than life. That interpretation is fairly recent and incredibly annoying.
Mary Sue is that character who, when they show up, every other character and the narrative itself becomes little more than a reflection of his or her presence and activities. The writer wants us all to be as fixated on Mary Sue as they are, and the pressure that puts on the reader is the source of the animosity.I think that character has generally been known as The Scrappy. The accusation of Mary-sues tend to be directed at flawless or wish-fulfillment female character.
tv tropes has only existed since 2004
Mary Sue happened in the seventies. She became a baseball bat in the hands of girl-shamers in about 1994.
While there’s some truth to that, I think the main point vastderp is getting at here is that “The Scrappy” is a much newer term.
And frankly, I have no interest in allowing girl-shamers to redefine terminology for me. I know what a Mary Sue is, and will keep using the term in its canonical sense.
seebs makes a very good point here. don’t let assholes define your terminology. that’s a mistake a lot of tumblr sj kids make — if some -ist or -phobe uses a term to attack people, the sj kids immediately let go of the term and go around telling other people not to touch it, because it belongs to the bad guys now.
i say the bad guys don’t get to take words away. the term ‘mary sue’ for a narrative-black-hole character is useful. it originated in a story written to illustrate that phenomenon, and comes from the name of that story’s protagonist. there is no need to throw that in the trash just because some dinguses use it wrong.
we also don’t need ‘marty stu’, because the phenomenon is NOT gendered. male sues tend to be angsty badasses rather than sparkle princesses (although not always!) but their effect on the story is the same.
I’d love to see the old meaning come back to use. If the writer is good and puts effort and thought into the character and the story, then there’s nothing wrong with a powerful “wish fulfilment” character, male, female or other.
Nonsensical, becomes-the-centre-of-the-universe-the-moment-he-turns-up characters on the other hand… Well, I think they are expectable at a certain age, just like technicolor emo sparkledogs, but that doesn’t make them any less painfully to read.
You know what the Green Heron is basically the best heron because it is like 90% neck so when it is all folded down it looks like a giant head with wings and legs
but then suddenly ZOOP
fucking green herrons
Just a weird AU I thought of where the Forge of Solus (the hammer) actually have son energy left and ends up accidentally ends up upgrading Knock Out. That would be nice to see.
I am finishng this!
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